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  I need help finding 2 specific Awake or Watchtower articles from 70's or 80's regarding converting homosexuals.

  by paul from cleveland in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i remember reading at least 2 articles from the 70's or early 80's referencing people that supposedly changed from gay to straight while jehovah's witnesses.

  i can't remember the specifics or maybe i was just reading that into the article at the time.

  does anyone remember these articles or something similar?.

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  paul from cleveland

  Thank you TheOldHippie, I think that was one of them. I thought there was another one where someone got married... I'm not sure.

  Edit: Sorry, I responded before seeing the second article.
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  I need help finding 2 specific Awake or Watchtower articles from 70's or 80's regarding converting homosexuals.

  by paul from cleveland in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i remember reading at least 2 articles from the 70's or early 80's referencing people that supposedly changed from gay to straight while jehovah's witnesses.

  i can't remember the specifics or maybe i was just reading that into the article at the time.

  does anyone remember these articles or something similar?.

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  paul from cleveland

  I seem to remember that they referenced some unnamed brothers that were formerly gay but became straight and went on to get married, etc. Of course that was a long time ago so I may be remembering incorrectly...
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  I need help finding 2 specific Awake or Watchtower articles from 70's or 80's regarding converting homosexuals.

  by paul from cleveland in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i remember reading at least 2 articles from the 70's or early 80's referencing people that supposedly changed from gay to straight while jehovah's witnesses.

  i can't remember the specifics or maybe i was just reading that into the article at the time.

  does anyone remember these articles or something similar?.

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  paul from cleveland

  I remember reading at least 2 articles from the 70's or early 80's referencing people that supposedly changed from gay to straight while Jehovah's Witnesses. I can't remember the specifics or maybe I was just reading that into the article at the time. Does anyone remember these articles or something similar?

  Thank you. I no longer have any Watchtower literature myself.
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  The hardship of being a gay Jehovahs witness.

  by truthwillsetyoufree in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  please spare a moment to consider the difiiculties faced by gay jehovahs witnesses.

  i was raised and baptised as a very serious jw.

  every waking moment of my day was lived for jehovahs and his organization and for nothing else.

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  paul from cleveland

  This is one of the major proofs that the Witnesses don't have the truth (to me at least). There is no place for gay people. There really isn't. The truth should have a place for everyone.
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  Just came across this jw comment on the interweb, what do you think?

  by disposable hero of hypocrisy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we are up for a new kind of persecution in the future.

  a new form that was unheard of for us.

  in australia, disfellowshipped and dissasociated are planning on suing jw for emotional and mental hardship for being cast out completely.

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  paul from cleveland

  Oh the poor poor Witnesses.... they're soooo persecuted.
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  Elder: I threw out all WT & Awake and only keep the last ten years...

  by adjusted knowledge in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had a recent conversation with an elder from my mother's congregation.

  he with another elder was at my mom's house.

  my mother has all the bound volumes for both the awake and watchtower plus most of the older books.

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  paul from cleveland

  The Watchtower should come with an expiration date label: "Please consume information in the magazine before June 27, 2015, afterward it will be considered Old Light and should be discarded."
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  received text from my mom

  by GoUnion in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so my wife and my parents are at their convention today.

  this will be the first time in my life that i will not have seen a drama or baptism.

  i will miss the public address, i will not see many of my lifelong friends that i have moved away from.

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  paul from cleveland

  You stated "the friendships that developed over a lifetime were real".

  But they aren't real.

  Real friends don't behave this way. They don't abandon you because you had a change of heart. If any of them were real friends, they wouldn't have abandoned you regardless.
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  How do you shut your mind down so you can get a good night sleep???

  by jam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the more i learn about jw's the harder it is.

  to sleep at night.

  the wife hit the pillow and within 5 min.. she is snoring.

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  paul from cleveland

  Go to your doctor and ask for a prescription for Ambien. (or the generic version Zolpidem) It's a 1000 times better then all the other suggestions I've read so far. Melatonin doesn't really work. Benedryl (Unisom) somewhat works but you feel like a zombie whe whole next day. Alcoholic beverages might might make you fall asleep at first but you'll usually wake up in the middle of the night, unable to fall back asleep.

  Ambien puts your right into a deep sleep. You sleep the whole night through and feel refreshed the next day. It's a miracle. Ask around and find a doctor that will give you a long term prescription. A lot of doctors only want to give you a prescription for a few weeks to get you over the hump. But what do you do then? I've been taking it for years with no adverse side effects. I love it.
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  Ensure that you dont appear to be Negative , Unhappy or Bitter

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just a quick thought.... we know that the org loves to paint all those who fade or leave as "negative, bitter and unhappy"...because of course "the truth is the happiest way to live".

  so, never allow ourselves to be that way when talking with witnesses, or family members still in.. show them that we are happy, our lives are fulfilled and positive.. then they have no ammunition.

  also, it helps other doubters to see that there is life in the world beyond the org..

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  paul from cleveland

  Stuckin, you are right. Being bitter or angry gives them power. Holding a grudge gives the other party power. Being happy and letting go is truly the best way.
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  What happens after you get the registered letter?

  by paul from cleveland in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my friend's daughter, who was baptized at 14, has decided to leave the witnesses.

  she's in her early 20's.

  she's stopped going to meeting a while ago and moved in with her father who is disfellowshipped.

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  paul from cleveland

  lol, it's just my avatar got covered with all the snow we had this winter in Cleveland.... hasn't melted yet.